Subject	We all have to decide who to trust. I'm opting for
Posted by	zellamay on February 27, 2011 at 11:02 PM
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In Reply To	... posted by RSR on February 27, 2011 at 07:43 PM
Message	scientists over talk show hosts. I'm a skeptic by nature, and agree with you that scientists have thier own agendas. Look at how many fads go through the science world. But this one has held up under scrutiny. I've chased every lead offered to show that most of the scientists are wrong, or to even get a reputable scientific rebuttal. Every lead goes to a dead end: some less than reputable source, (a talk show host, a guy without an education, etc). So, scientists do agree on environmentalism, and for now we have no reputable counter-arguments.
Follow Ups	how long do you take to warm up your Z - Jiro 01:36:58 02/27/11 I just let it build up oil pressure... I keep the rpms low - JonnyZ(SoCal) 02:15:54 02/27/11 This is the correct answer (n/m) - GodZilla (KY) 09:02:51 02/27/11 I always wait at least untill the RPM's drop below 1000 - MPV TT 02:28:03 02/27/11 Re: how long do you take to warm up your Z - Jc (Houston) 04:14:42 02/27/11 I let my Z warm up for about 10-20 seconds before - Polish 05:58:27 02/27/11 Till its warm - lazer(NJ) 06:13:12 02/27/11 So you think you conserve gas by letting your car - Summeronthechain (MN) 07:44:39 02/27/11 I was supprised too but here's why. - lazer(NJ) 12:57:59 02/27/11 You must drive really long distances, to make up for all - zellamay 10:41:54 02/27/11 Longer distances would have less of an effect. (n/m) - lazer(NJ) 13:00:40 02/27/11 When you idle your car, you are getting 0 miles per gallon. - zellamay 15:01:50 02/27/11 Cold start idle is about 1500, when it drops to 1200 it - ttz'in (NorCal) 07:19:24 02/27/11 I prefer to wait for the temp needle to start moving - bnhunt 08:18:49 02/27/11 I start and go, but No boost for the first 5 minutes - Ziceman(East TN) 09:50:58 02/27/11 About 10-20 seconds - KeeZ 10:39:09 02/27/11 20 to 30 seconds, then drive very gently as it warms up. (n/m) - zellamay 10:44:31 02/27/11 Only an idiot wouldn't warm up their performance car. - BigTDogg (MA) 11:11:14 02/27/11 Only an idiot would say, "green, it's a bunch of bullshit - zellamay 11:48:56 02/27/11 </rant> - LitlElvis 12:04:06 02/27/11 I know, I know, I just couldn't help myself. (n/m) - zellamay 12:32:23 02/27/11 For the 0.1% of cars running test pipes in the world - BigTDogg (MA) 13:17:02 02/27/11 You're wrong on all points, and I'm not sure whether you - zellamay 14:53:26 02/27/11 Glenn Beck and Alex Jones say otherwise. - ZiNnYc 15:05:30 02/27/11 Some doofy scientists, Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan - ZiNnYc 15:19:38 02/27/11 neither of which are climatologists - LJZTT 10:00:09 02/28/11 Zs and other cars being warmed up for 5-8 minutes - BigTDogg (MA) 16:24:06 02/27/11 agreed (n/m) - ali300zx 17:25:58 02/27/11 This message has been brought to you by ExxonMobil. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 12:49:44 02/27/11 Says the guy who leaves his Z out on the street in winter (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 12:52:26 02/27/11 Start reading. - ZiNnYc 13:07:21 02/27/11 I have better things to do with my time - BigTDogg (MA) 13:26:04 02/27/11 No you dont. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 13:28:58 02/27/11 Yawn. (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 13:30:28 02/27/11 ... - RSR 19:43:23 02/27/11 Bingo Bango Bongo (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 20:20:02 02/27/11 Absolutely. - ZiNnYc 20:36:00 02/27/11 ... - RSR 19:50:33 02/28/11 Its not an opinion paper. - ZiNnYc 08:23:51 03/01/11 interesting... - RSR 09:39:29 03/01/11 Im not sure you understand the meaning of "sources". - ZiNnYc 10:30:38 03/01/11 To press on a point... - RSR 10:15:31 03/01/11 Ironed out above, please read. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 10:32:25 03/01/11 Re: Its not an opinion paper. - Dustin 20:43:16 03/02/11 More opinions, no facts. - ZiNnYc 08:29:50 03/03/11 A Spectacle Monopolized. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 09:58:55 03/03/11 We all have to decide who to trust. I'm opting for - zellamay 23:02:38 02/27/11 Liberals/leftists are egocentrists.... - LJZTT 11:05:27 02/28/11 This post hurts my ego. (n/m) - zellamay 11:52:45 02/28/11 bahh, nothing 3" catless exhaust cant help (n/m) - LJZTT 13:10:57 02/28/11 Well that's not a sweeping generalization then is it? - Broke_as_**** 21:51:48 02/28/11 No one disagrees on the merit of being a responsible - LJZTT 10:35:58 03/01/11 The logic just isn't there. You are making fact - zellamay 12:17:31 03/01/11 check your premises, if something doesnt make sense it - LJZTT 20:11:20 03/01/11 Subject line - Broke_as_**** 17:59:42 03/02/11 LMAO THE GUARDIAN!!! ohhhh lolololololololololololol ROFL - LJZTT 09:27:20 02/28/11 I like stirring the pot :-D - BigTDogg (MA) 11:01:33 03/01/11 See my above post, I get better mileage in all my cars. (n/m) - lazer(NJ) 13:02:11 02/27/11 Ive tried many of these experiments myself, - ZiNnYc 13:14:43 02/27/11 at least exxonmobil produces something of use, despite being - LJZTT 13:21:00 02/28/11 Exactly how I DD mine. - CoHPhasor 16:08:10 02/27/11 A lot of euro car manufacturers recommend not - ztunerz 22:21:26 02/27/11 I understand this, and if you can do that, then that's great - BigTDogg (MA) 08:43:55 02/28/11 you know the "green" stuff "they" tell you to do is total BS - LJZTT 11:16:19 02/27/11 Until my CO2 alarm in the house goes off. (n/m) - Noncon (STL) 11:57:34 02/27/11 you mean CO sensor. :o) (n/m) - PiotrC70 14:19:32 02/27/11 That's fine to do with an engine using cast aluminum pistons - Ash's Z 12:12:05 02/27/11 You dont need to warm up your car idling. - ZiNnYc 12:48:18 02/27/11 I always wait till it gets warm. - Hyjaxe 13:49:25 02/27/11 I don't drive it that often... - Jehannum 13:17:44 02/28/11 I let it idle until the oil is up to operating temperature. (n/m) - Scotts94z32 17:14:39 02/28/11
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